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DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!

by Wasanelder Once in

i've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.

i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.

you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".

IT Support

Hi,

Please may I have the links to download these videos?

Cheers!

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Dissension spooking the Watchtower Leadership?

by freddo in

jw
friends

apparently the current round of co visits (in the uk) includes (from an outline in the co meeting with elders and possibly also mss) much talk of tightening up the rules on associating with df/da, apostates and that they are to take the lead in clamping down on this.. they also focus on the view that apostates have nothing else to offer jw's.. sounds like anti-wt tactics are having an effect!

but it looks like it's going to get tougher before it gets easier .... anyone else confirm?

my sources are elders/ms's in two seperate nearby congo's..

IT Support

The Bible Student:

Leo Greenlees and Paul Gillies have been involved in homosexuality,

I don't have a problem with your statement about Leo Greenlees; but what evidence do you have for saying that Paul Gillies is homosexual? I used to be in London Bethel and knew Paul Gillies and his wife Judith.

I agree Paul Gillies is responsible for slavishly following Brooklyn's direction on covering up child abuse. I believe he has lied (whether knowingly or not, I have no way of knowing) to the media for WT. I agree he should be held accountable for these.

But to casually throw around unfounded allegations, and refuse to supply evidence when challenged, is making you as bad as those you seek to condemn. Never mind that it calls into question your credibility and the accuracy of the rest of your statements.

You would get more respect here if you had the honesty to admit you made a mistake, and simply move on.

I wish you well in your campaign against the WT.

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glasgow emergency evacuation plans

by ninja in

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friends

we recently got booklets through our door...anyone else in britain get them?...are they preparing us for something?.

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/nr/rdonlyres/c02b5ec8-1d9a-4510-8024-ec1016fe2ee0/0/residentsleaflet.pdf.

IT Support

sbf:

The Americans pulled out of the Holy Loch in 1991 I think. We still have the Faslane nuclear base in the Gare Loch and Coulport on Loch Long though.

You're quite right, thank you.

Ooops Seasonal Affective Disorder in fact.

Biting social satire rather loses its impact when it has to be explained ... <lol>

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glasgow emergency evacuation plans

by ninja in

jw
friends

we recently got booklets through our door...anyone else in britain get them?...are they preparing us for something?.

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/nr/rdonlyres/c02b5ec8-1d9a-4510-8024-ec1016fe2ee0/0/residentsleaflet.pdf.

IT Support

Sounds like a total waste of time.

It all depends on Al Quaeda doing as they're told and planting their bomb(s) in one of the City Centre Zones.

Except, if they bomb Hillhead, the Evacuation Plan's totally f****d.

What kind of emergencies have you had in your area in the past that might warrant this?

Glasgow's biggest threat fo devastation comes from mass suicide caused by SAD.

Or the US nuclear subs based in the Holy Loch. In which case, you can forget about your Grab Bag with your debit card and jammies ...

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WHAT DEFINES AN APOSTATE ACCORDING TO THE ELDERS?

by Hobo Ken in

listen to part 3 of the death or obedience podcast which charts the df'ing process from start to finish.. in this part the elders give a "sister" a grilling about her alleged apostasy and attemp to explain how god uses the organisation.. here is the link.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_3.mp3.

IT Support

wobble:

ninja is correct.

The radicalization of the 'apostate' doctrine was part of WT's attempt to 'deal' with the Ray Franz problem. If you have Crisis of Conscience, see Chapter 11 'Aftermath' (Chapter 12 in newer editions) in which the above letter was reproduced.

Ray says:

"As the facts show, people, many persons, were actually disfellowshipped and continue to be disfellowshipped solely on the basis of this very thought-control policy sent out." (Second Edition 1992, p 294) [italics added]

Here we have yet another example of WT duplicity: on the one hand they tell JWs that if they have any doubts about WT doctrine, they only need to "wait on Jehovah" and it will be all sorted out. In the meantime, however, if they don't like the cut of your jib, they'll cheerfully disfellowship you for apostasy.

Anyway, I hope this answers your question wobble, also yours Hobo!

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CONGRATULATIONS MARK AND GAIL

by iknowall558 in

it was fantastic watching both of you being baptized today.

before i came to witness it , i just thought 'oh well, that's great, if thats what you want to do then why not ' .

i wasnt prepared for how much it would affect me and its made me re-think the whole thing.

IT Support

Best wishes to you both ...

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The Hidden Power Behind the Jehovah's Witnesses by Robin de Ruiter

by Tatiana in

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friends

has anyone read this?

the hidden power behind the jehovah's witnesses byrobin de ruiter.

i can't find a direct link to anything written in the book, just this link.http://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/legacy-of-the-13-satanic-bloodlines/.

IT Support

Dear Mr de Ruiter,

Thank you for the information about your book.

I can put you in touch with a translator if you wish, but it would be on a fully commercial basis (i.e. s/he is a professional translator and would require to be paid).

If this is ok with you, in which language was the book originally written? (The translation should obviously be made from the original manuscript rather than another translation, to produce the most accurate text.)

Give me your contact details (or PM them to me if you'd rather not post them on a public forum) and I'll put you in touch with a suitable translator.

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WHAT DEFINES AN APOSTATE ACCORDING TO THE ELDERS?

by Hobo Ken in

listen to part 3 of the death or obedience podcast which charts the df'ing process from start to finish.. in this part the elders give a "sister" a grilling about her alleged apostasy and attemp to explain how god uses the organisation.. here is the link.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_3.mp3.

IT Support

I've attached below a 1980 letter that, so far as I know, hasn't been updated, and which states WT's definitive position on what constitutes apostacy:

If anyone has any WT letters that supercede this one, please let me know.

Thanks.

P.S. Note the significance of the date of the letter!

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